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that's not where mitt romney is. so poor paul ryan. he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. >> don't forget big bird there, jonathan. remember governor romney did give us a specific, he's going to get rid of big bird. >> that's impressive. ari, for sheer bravado in the absence of any details, paul ryan surely wins the oscar because he claims six studies prove that their 20% tax cut will be revenue neutral and won't increase the deficit. but i have to tell you, three of those six studies were blog posts or op-eds and one of them was paid for by romney for president, inc. that's the most elegant mendacity i've ever seen, isn't it? >> i would love to have their campaign promote my blog. if each post is a study, you can really get on a roll there. i'm really glad you're spotlighting this, martin, because this is the biggest problem they have on the domestic front. they've outlined these 20% cuts for everyone, that's a 20% cut in taxes for the 1%, and then they've said but don't worry, it's not really going to cut the taxes on the ric
that's not where mitt romney is. so poor paul ryan. he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. >> don't forget big bird there, jonathan. remember governor romney did give us a specific, he's going to get rid of big bird. >> that's impressive. ari, for sheer bravado in the absence of any details, paul ryan surely wins the oscar because he claims six studies prove that their 20% tax cut will be revenue neutral and won't increase the deficit. but i have to tell you, three of those...
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now we're coming up to romney and ryan. not this debate specifically coming after president obama's gaffe before. >> that was a big thing for everybody here in the room. this was a big debate obviously because of president obama's performance last time. glen, that's why you paid a lot of attention here tonight, correct? >> yes, i think biden came on real strong and confident. i think he needed to do that because obama's performance last week was disappointing. >> and do you think the president will be up to it now that the bar's been raised next week? >> we'll see. >> you're still undecided. >> yes. >> sam, you're still undecided. you gave me an answer earlier. you said, you know, they've been running for president for months and months and months. you have the internet, newspapers, radio, tv. you're getting bombarded by ads here. why can't you make up your mind? >> as i said before, we work for a living. you know, a lot of us get up at 4:00 a.m., go to work for 12, 14 hours. we're at home with our kids. we're not doing thi
now we're coming up to romney and ryan. not this debate specifically coming after president obama's gaffe before. >> that was a big thing for everybody here in the room. this was a big debate obviously because of president obama's performance last time. glen, that's why you paid a lot of attention here tonight, correct? >> yes, i think biden came on real strong and confident. i think he needed to do that because obama's performance last week was disappointing. >> and do you...
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the romney/ryan spending plan here. but last night martha raddatz's questioning and joe biden's badgering got paul ryan to disavow this plan altogether saying he does not want an increase at all despite the fact it is what he and mr. romney has been campaigning on. paul ryan broke new ground on saying how and why he and mitt romney would overturn roe v. wade and make abortion criminal. his issue on rape in particular has people going nuts today for obvious reasons. we'll be covering that in future shows. joe biden also dipped paul ryan in tar and rolled him in feathers on the issue of the stimulus. and mr. ryan's supposed principles on that issue. we talked about that moments ago with chris hayes. but there are two things that i think are hugely important to the presidential campaign that happened last night. two things that i, frankly, never thought we would get to. and that we got to and, boy, howdy, is this new territory. first was this. >> you asked, do i feel free? let me put it to you this way. i earned capital in
the romney/ryan spending plan here. but last night martha raddatz's questioning and joe biden's badgering got paul ryan to disavow this plan altogether saying he does not want an increase at all despite the fact it is what he and mr. romney has been campaigning on. paul ryan broke new ground on saying how and why he and mitt romney would overturn roe v. wade and make abortion criminal. his issue on rape in particular has people going nuts today for obvious reasons. we'll be covering that in...
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ryan may have been a smart pick for romney despite his policy positions, not because of they'll. which is to say, he's been pretty good on the stump, in terms of ginning up enthusiasm. the policy stuff may have been his achille's heel and the campaign stuff a bonus. >> ginning up enthusiasm among republicans, probably -- i don't see where the enthusiasm is for him among independents in the body politic overall. i mean the policy positions he's taken, you know, god love him, at least there's someone in washington who is going to put really hard, specific policy prescriptions on the table, the problem, though, is that they're incredibly unpopular. we've gone from the road map for america's future foote of prosperity to the house budget that the budget that the house passed that they're now all running away from because they now know that the american people don't like the policy prescriptions are there. ryan is young, in great shape, very smart. but when people talk about the specifics and what his vision is, they're not going to like it and that's why tonight is fascinating becaus
ryan may have been a smart pick for romney despite his policy positions, not because of they'll. which is to say, he's been pretty good on the stump, in terms of ginning up enthusiasm. the policy stuff may have been his achille's heel and the campaign stuff a bonus. >> ginning up enthusiasm among republicans, probably -- i don't see where the enthusiasm is for him among independents in the body politic overall. i mean the policy positions he's taken, you know, god love him, at least...
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paul ryan laid out what the romney/ryan agenda would be for the future. you didn't hear anything new at all from vice president biden about what the obama administration's going to do to get down unemployment, to spark growth. all the things they've been failing at. they have laid out no vision at all to address that. >> his point was that vice president joe biden was inappropriate and insubstantial. what was your take? >> i thought he was passionate. i thought he was personal and i thought he was very substantial. i thought he really won the debate. i think that he was willing to be specific in a way paul ryan wasn't. i think paul ryan did not have an answer to the question of what's your $5 trillion tax plan, what exactly what benefits are you going to cut? what exactly are you going to do? i don't think he had an answer on afghanistan. the only thing paul ryan had a specific answer on he and romney are willing to take away a woman's right to choose. >> if you look at what happened afterwards and hearing the talking heads this morning, democrats thought
paul ryan laid out what the romney/ryan agenda would be for the future. you didn't hear anything new at all from vice president biden about what the obama administration's going to do to get down unemployment, to spark growth. all the things they've been failing at. they have laid out no vision at all to address that. >> his point was that vice president joe biden was inappropriate and insubstantial. what was your take? >> i thought he was passionate. i thought he was personal and i...
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obviously, ron, we see which direction the romney/ryan ticket would like to at least take this week? >> reporter: claktly. hey there, tamron. hope you can hear me over the rumble of the bus. we're heading into detroit. i'm sure the campaign could pack more stuff into the schedule today. in addition to the rally if in toledo where you heard paul ryan, he has three events around the detroit area. this is romney's old stomping ground from his younger days, and they're not quite ready to give up on a michigan where they think they can make a play. he's on his way to an education roundtable and a fund-raiser and another big rally tonight planned. another thing unusual about his speech in toledo was the fact it was much longer than usual. he went 33 minutes or so. usually we get a15, 20 minutes out of him and he doesn't spend a lot of time talking about foreign policy. because the crowd saw governor romney's speech at the virginia military institute, paul ryan wanted to talk a little bit about that and perhaps giving him a little more of a chance to get some of the foreign policy stuff out
obviously, ron, we see which direction the romney/ryan ticket would like to at least take this week? >> reporter: claktly. hey there, tamron. hope you can hear me over the rumble of the bus. we're heading into detroit. i'm sure the campaign could pack more stuff into the schedule today. in addition to the rally if in toledo where you heard paul ryan, he has three events around the detroit area. this is romney's old stomping ground from his younger days, and they're not quite ready to give...
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when you -- what you know about romney/ryan foreign policy is they're inclined to start wars. what you know about social security and medicare, is that you know these guys have never liked social security and medicare so when they're talking about it, just don't trust them. and i think those broad characterizations are things that can break through. >> you know, let me stick up for joe biden here for a second. >> i love joe. >> joe biden was who he was last night, what you would expect him to be, be he was what the obama cam ap told him to do, he delivered what democrats needed in that evening. i don't know if he won the debate because i thought congressman ryan did a good job but joe biden did a good job for the democrats without a doubt. >> joe biden, people still love you. people will always love you. >> did us proud, joe. >> full love for joe biden. >> nothing but love. >> hearts and stars over people's heads for joe biden. coming up, we're going to actually talk more about foreign policy in libya as well from hand gestures to pearly whites, viewers saw a very animated vic
when you -- what you know about romney/ryan foreign policy is they're inclined to start wars. what you know about social security and medicare, is that you know these guys have never liked social security and medicare so when they're talking about it, just don't trust them. and i think those broad characterizations are things that can break through. >> you know, let me stick up for joe biden here for a second. >> i love joe. >> joe biden was who he was last night, what you...
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we're as close as it is. >> ryan, this is a shift actually in the romney/ryan campaign. they've started to use the word capability for the threshold. >> very important. >> that's a very ambiguous standard. they're not saying have nuclear weapons, they're saying the capability. >> everyone should be clear. this is one of the things where there is a policy difference that's being obscured by the rhetoric. the debate largely between the obama administration and netanyahu's folks as far as i can understand as i follow this is the question is the red line a weapon or is the red line a capability. the capability is before actually having a weapon and much more haze zilly defined? is that more or less -- >> that's my understanding. there's a broader sense of whether would an obama administration support israel as opposed to a romney administration? that is a real debate and a real question people are asking. i think if there is one to attack, obama would go along with it in the end. >> the intractability of syria was another issue that was on the table. i think the reason that
we're as close as it is. >> ryan, this is a shift actually in the romney/ryan campaign. they've started to use the word capability for the threshold. >> very important. >> that's a very ambiguous standard. they're not saying have nuclear weapons, they're saying the capability. >> everyone should be clear. this is one of the things where there is a policy difference that's being obscured by the rhetoric. the debate largely between the obama administration and netanyahu's...
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ryan, romney, romney of course on the top of the ticket. i think you've seen from democrats a real attempt to tie the republican ticket to the house republicans who don't have a very high favorability rating so that's going to be what biden's going to try to do, lay out point by point. he'd been reading that book "young guns" by some of those tea party folks partly authored by paul ryan. i think it's a matter of laying those facts out and hitting him back with his own words. $18 billion taken from medicare where he does the same thing in his budget. >> well, and as far as the gender gap numbers, easterin. president obama gained among women after the debate while romney gained them on men. we talked after the debate and you and others noted there was not a lot of conversation -- i mean, listen, we know that women are concerned about the economy. we get that. i actually even don't like when people say that because that is a no brainer. we're all concerned about the economy. everyone wants to work. and we know that there are men who are concer
ryan, romney, romney of course on the top of the ticket. i think you've seen from democrats a real attempt to tie the republican ticket to the house republicans who don't have a very high favorability rating so that's going to be what biden's going to try to do, lay out point by point. he'd been reading that book "young guns" by some of those tea party folks partly authored by paul ryan. i think it's a matter of laying those facts out and hitting him back with his own words. $18...
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now they're trying to blame the romney/ryan ticket for making this an issue. with respect to iraq, we had the same position before the withdrawal which was we agreed with the obama administration. let's have a status of forces agreement to make sure we secure out gains. the vice president was put in charge of those negotiations by president obama and they failed to get the agreement. we don't have a status of forces agreement because they failed to get one. that's what we are talking about. when it comes to our veterans we owe them a great debt of gratitude for what they've done for us includie ining your son,. we also want to make sure we don't lose the things we fought so hard to get. with respect to afghanistan, the 2014 deadline, we agree with the 2014 transition. but what we also want it do is make sure that we're not projecting weakness abroad. that's what's happening here. this benghazi issue would be a tragedy in and of itself, but unfortunately it's indicative of a broader problem. and that is what we are watching on our tv screens is the unraveling o
now they're trying to blame the romney/ryan ticket for making this an issue. with respect to iraq, we had the same position before the withdrawal which was we agreed with the obama administration. let's have a status of forces agreement to make sure we secure out gains. the vice president was put in charge of those negotiations by president obama and they failed to get the agreement. we don't have a status of forces agreement because they failed to get one. that's what we are talking about....
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ryan saying mitt romney's performance makes it more difficult for him. people are suggesting that vice president joe biden is gaffe-ridden and incompetent. what are you expecting from this debate? >> i will go ahead and i would say i'd set the bar pretty high for biden because i think he's a much better debater than obama. one of the reasons biden ended up on the ticket with obama in 2008 was that in 2007 and 2008 running against hillary clinton, running against barack obama, it was biden who are often than not who would steal the show at those democratic debates. it never actually translated into votes for him but he impressed people in the obama campaign as somebody they wanted to have out there. you go farther back in his career when he first ran for president in 1988, he got derailed by a bit of a plagiarism scandal, but when he was using his own words, he was one heck of an orator. that was his reputation. a really strong communicator. i look at biden and his debate skills and communication skills, and i say escapable of doing what barack obama eith
ryan saying mitt romney's performance makes it more difficult for him. people are suggesting that vice president joe biden is gaffe-ridden and incompetent. what are you expecting from this debate? >> i will go ahead and i would say i'd set the bar pretty high for biden because i think he's a much better debater than obama. one of the reasons biden ended up on the ticket with obama in 2008 was that in 2007 and 2008 running against hillary clinton, running against barack obama, it was biden...
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obviously, ohio's an important state to the romney-ryan ticket. we expect paul ryan to stick to the standard substance with the five-point plan to put the middle class back to work and also going by the performance last week of governor romney. particular has a couple of events. one here in the at least area and then we're heading off to the detroit area for an afternoon event and don't expect to see him until thursday and sets up the debate against vice president biden and the past couple of days we asked how much is he prepared to meet someone with more experience. he says he knows that vice president biden will come in aggressively and maybe particularly because of the president's performance last wednesday's event in denver and he is reading briefing books, talking about issues around the country and around the world. paul ryan knows that this is a very big week for him. perhaps the biggest of his entire political career. people need to see the american voters watching that debate on thursday and see him in the vice presidential light and prob
obviously, ohio's an important state to the romney-ryan ticket. we expect paul ryan to stick to the standard substance with the five-point plan to put the middle class back to work and also going by the performance last week of governor romney. particular has a couple of events. one here in the at least area and then we're heading off to the detroit area for an afternoon event and don't expect to see him until thursday and sets up the debate against vice president biden and the past couple of...
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joe biden will read ryan's book and go after those entitlements. >> up next, as mitt romney focuses on foreign policy we'll get a reality check on the challenges abroad. [ female announcer ] most whitening strips promise full whitening results in two weeks or more. rembrandt® deeply white™ 2 hour whitening kit is proven to quickly remove surface stains and deep stains in just two hours. [ female announcer ] rembrandt® deeply white™: whiten in just 2 hours. spx tensions are escalating between syria and turkey after another shell landed in turkey today. the turkish military returned artillery fire for the sixth straight day. this is a major flash point. joining me now ambassador ross who held top jobs in three administrations most recently in the obama administration but also for the former presidents bush, one and two, i think. >> bush one, reagan -- yes. >> all the way back. >> you come with bonified credentials in foreign policy. let's talk about what this speech really indicated on syria. it seemed to me what mitt romney presented today was not to directly arm some. he was talk
joe biden will read ryan's book and go after those entitlements. >> up next, as mitt romney focuses on foreign policy we'll get a reality check on the challenges abroad. [ female announcer ] most whitening strips promise full whitening results in two weeks or more. rembrandt® deeply white™ 2 hour whitening kit is proven to quickly remove surface stains and deep stains in just two hours. [ female announcer ] rembrandt® deeply white™: whiten in just 2 hours. spx tensions are...
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governor romney is and governor romney said famously after they were chosen, paul ryan has his plan but i'm the candidate. i have my own plan. paul ryan is going to have to figure out how he can talk about what he believes and not run afoul of wherever governor romney might be on any of these budgetary issues, and especially medicare. >> it could be very interesting and very important given where we are at this stage, 29 days out. jonathan and margie omera, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >>> a new group intimidating voters at the poll. into plus, the folks at snl brought humor but there's a serious point to be made. that's ahead. [ female announcer ] you can measure the growth of children by the way they clean themselves in the bathroom. try charmin ultra strong. with a new duraclean texture, it helps you get clean. plus it's four times stronger than the leading value brand. and you can use up to four times less. charmin ultra strong. yeah. then how'd i get this... [ voice of dennis ] ...safe driving bonus check? every six months without an accident, allstate sends a che
governor romney is and governor romney said famously after they were chosen, paul ryan has his plan but i'm the candidate. i have my own plan. paul ryan is going to have to figure out how he can talk about what he believes and not run afoul of wherever governor romney might be on any of these budgetary issues, and especially medicare. >> it could be very interesting and very important given where we are at this stage, 29 days out. jonathan and margie omera, thank you for your time...
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asked mitt romney about are even better for ryan. it was paul ryan who was confronted with chris wallace asking him about the math of the budget plan, was the one who said i just don't have time to get into that. joe biden can say, i'd like to give you all the time you need, take all the time you need, congressman ryan, and tell us which deductions you two are going to close. he can confront him on the $716 billion that he also likewise cuts from medicare. >> identical number. >> identical number. that's a wonderful thing to be teed up for vice president biden, and he can also just come at him on the issue of entitlements generally. paul ryan is somebody who apparently saved the survivor benefits that he got from social security, used them to go to a good college, and now has been a long-time advocate of privatizing social security. >> i just wish joe biden would at some point ask the question, why do you right wingers think the way to get rich people to work harder is to give them more money and the way to get poor people to work ha
asked mitt romney about are even better for ryan. it was paul ryan who was confronted with chris wallace asking him about the math of the budget plan, was the one who said i just don't have time to get into that. joe biden can say, i'd like to give you all the time you need, take all the time you need, congressman ryan, and tell us which deductions you two are going to close. he can confront him on the $716 billion that he also likewise cuts from medicare. >> identical number. >>...
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steve has written an op-ed in "the new york times," and the title is "the radical is romney, not ryan." "president obama should use tuesday night's debate to press mr. romney to defend -- or even just explain -- these proposed cuts, which would be far more draconian than those advanced by his running mate, paul ryan. mr. ryan is widely viewed as the real fiscal hawk, but in key areas, his views on spending levels are actually closer to mr. obama's than to mr. romney's. with respect to nearly half the budget, mr. romney and mr. ryan widely diverge from each other. mr. romney is calling for a huge increase in defense spending, roughly $2 trillion more over the next decade than ryan wants to spend which is only $400 billion above mr. obama's budget. even though the military is not asking for such an increase. such an increase would force giant reductions, about 40%, in everything that's left. and katty kay, with libya on the front pages and sort of this growing scandal over security there, with syria in complete chaos, while we all know the defense budget needs to be cut over the next de
steve has written an op-ed in "the new york times," and the title is "the radical is romney, not ryan." "president obama should use tuesday night's debate to press mr. romney to defend -- or even just explain -- these proposed cuts, which would be far more draconian than those advanced by his running mate, paul ryan. mr. ryan is widely viewed as the real fiscal hawk, but in key areas, his views on spending levels are actually closer to mr. obama's than to mr. romney's....
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not a day has gone by without a stop by ryan or romney in the buckeye state. he visited a soup kitchen in youngstown where he held a town hall. romney held rallies in lebanon, ohio. >> i need you to get other people that voted for barack obama to join our team. we need ohio. if we get ohio, we'll be able to take back america. >> but can romney win this election without ohio? this was ohio senator's rob portman's take on sunday. >> look, you can probably win the presidency without ohio but i wouldn't want to take the risk. no republican has. >> well, let's look at the map. we might as well. rob portman asked us to do it so let's do it. let's give the president ohio. that puts him up to 255. the two other states where he's ahead, that means he would win florida, all of the southern states. he's at 248. give him the west, colorado, nevada, he is still short and needs to find seven others. right now the president is ahead in wisconsin and i haven't seen evidence otherwise. the president appears to be ahead in new hampshire. so look what that leaves us. 269. well,
not a day has gone by without a stop by ryan or romney in the buckeye state. he visited a soup kitchen in youngstown where he held a town hall. romney held rallies in lebanon, ohio. >> i need you to get other people that voted for barack obama to join our team. we need ohio. if we get ohio, we'll be able to take back america. >> but can romney win this election without ohio? this was ohio senator's rob portman's take on sunday. >> look, you can probably win the presidency...
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now, they're as a for mitt romney. there's -- people showing up to be for mitt romney and to be against the president. >> well, that's hugely helpful if it lasts. there was a little bit of that when he picked paul ryan. then went away. a little bit of that right after the debate. two more presidential and one vice presidential debate. >> okay. we'll talk about the debate after the break but first we asked you, our trivia question, the first vice president to not become president, the answer, should have gotten this. of course, aaron burr. the nation's third vice president under thomas jefferson and of course remembered for the guy that killed the treasury secretary in the duel. e-mail us for the trivia question. we'll be right back. safe driver, multi-car, paid in full -- a most fulsome bounty indeed, lord jamie. thou cometh and we thy saveth! what are you doing? we doth offer so many discounts, we have some to spare. oh, you have any of those homeowners' discounts? here we go. thank you. he took my shield, my lady. th
now, they're as a for mitt romney. there's -- people showing up to be for mitt romney and to be against the president. >> well, that's hugely helpful if it lasts. there was a little bit of that when he picked paul ryan. then went away. a little bit of that right after the debate. two more presidential and one vice presidential debate. >> okay. we'll talk about the debate after the break but first we asked you, our trivia question, the first vice president to not become president,...
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and mitt romney's budget plans. for seniors that single group joe biden can reach no one else on the ticket can reach. when it comes to the voters, i think joe biden has the opportunity to cut through the wonkery which both presidential candidates immersed themselves in. he can cut through and say this is what it means for real older people. yes, if you're 55, pay attention. this is coming to you. >> joe biden has to separate out the view of the skeptical e lkt rat and say you're attacking paul ryan because he's your opponent. or are you attacking ideas because they were bad ideas long before it became perhaps politically advantage wous to attack them. alex, you talked about the heartlessness of the ryan budget months before he became a household name. >> i was there first. >> that's different for someone watching who says, this is the same old washington thing. they want to defeat thim. that's the challenge for biden. long before anyone heard of paul ryan we were afraid of paul ryan because we were afraid of what h
and mitt romney's budget plans. for seniors that single group joe biden can reach no one else on the ticket can reach. when it comes to the voters, i think joe biden has the opportunity to cut through the wonkery which both presidential candidates immersed themselves in. he can cut through and say this is what it means for real older people. yes, if you're 55, pay attention. this is coming to you. >> joe biden has to separate out the view of the skeptical e lkt rat and say you're...
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. >> do you think that governor romney has been too aggressive and paul ryan in his debate with joe biden in accusing the administration of either covering up or bungling this? >> i think we need to wait for the facts. i think it's fair for them to raise the issues, what happened? we need answers. we want answers as quickly as we can. understand that the first reports are usually in error. but there should not be any tremendous delay here. i think it's important the american people find out. whether or not a country -- well, libya, by way of example, can, in fact, provide the protection that's going to be necessary, and if they can't, we have two choices. either to put more force in, which may be objectionable, or to pull our diplomats out because if the country can't protect them, libya, and doesn't have the institutions, the military, the paramilitary to protect them, then pull our people out because we can't put them at risk. this is the host nation's obligation to protect them. we can have limited protection, but we can't occupy the country. we don't have military bases in libya. so i
. >> do you think that governor romney has been too aggressive and paul ryan in his debate with joe biden in accusing the administration of either covering up or bungling this? >> i think we need to wait for the facts. i think it's fair for them to raise the issues, what happened? we need answers. we want answers as quickly as we can. understand that the first reports are usually in error. but there should not be any tremendous delay here. i think it's important the american people...
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and as you said, joe biden will sell barack obama, but paul ryan has to sell mitt romney. you can't really sell paul ryan, right? so he has to -- it's going to be interesting to see how well he does that. i think we agree that joe biden will do his job, will go in and will explain all those crucial moments of the obama presidency and how things worked out and what a great guy he is. >> so joe biden, i agree will do his job. joe, do you think that paul ryan will be allowed to do his job? because i think the problem has been that from the moment he was chosen, they then were hiding his signature elements. >> well, paul ryan's not the president. and i think mitt romney said it clearly, i'm the president, paul ryan -- >> so he won't be allowed to do his job? >> no more than somebody you hire as a production assistant is going to tell you what to say on the air. >> well, i will say, he sounds really almost -- he chose his youth when he said mitt romney is the president, and therefore i believe. >> who is he? why was he chosen? because he has incredible, brave ideas. >> hold on.
and as you said, joe biden will sell barack obama, but paul ryan has to sell mitt romney. you can't really sell paul ryan, right? so he has to -- it's going to be interesting to see how well he does that. i think we agree that joe biden will do his job, will go in and will explain all those crucial moments of the obama presidency and how things worked out and what a great guy he is. >> so joe biden, i agree will do his job. joe, do you think that paul ryan will be allowed to do his job?...
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and the whole obama campaign now against romney and ryan is that the numbers on the republican side don't add up. so i think there's going to be pressure on ryan to explain the numbers or at least the obama folks are going to try and pressure ryan to explain the numbers. so these things usually don't matter. it's the undercard. but this time i think there could be a little more importance. >> i think you're exactly right. biden's actually a very good debater. he was very good during the democratic debates in '08. he beat barack obama every time. he is good in the debates, but boy, he can't afford to have an off night, can he? >> no. >> i mean, you talk about feeding into a narrative. i actually think paul ryan can break even and he'll be fine, but joe biden can't have an off night. >> joe, imagine the panic -- imagine the panic on the democratic side if biden does have one of those gaffes and, you know, the one night -- the denver sort of story becomes a week-long story. it would be horrific for democrats. >> yeah, it would. >> i don't understand why we're even raising this issue. >> why
and the whole obama campaign now against romney and ryan is that the numbers on the republican side don't add up. so i think there's going to be pressure on ryan to explain the numbers or at least the obama folks are going to try and pressure ryan to explain the numbers. so these things usually don't matter. it's the undercard. but this time i think there could be a little more importance. >> i think you're exactly right. biden's actually a very good debater. he was very good during the...